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Boosting Your Salary with Marketing Technology Skills

January 2, 2017 By Josh Hill

Happy New Year

Happy New YearIn the New Year, what will you do to accelerate your career in Marketing?

Get a promotion? Change companies? Switch marketing disciplines? Become a consultant?

What is the common thread across Marketing these days? It’s technology. While Marketing has always been about telling a story at scale and establishing a general feeling for an organization amongst the audience, the tools available have changed a bit. Marketers who have embraced these tools have always accelerated their careers, maintaining relevance. Tools are leverage: knowing how to create leverage will always make you more valuable to clients or employers. And knowing how to leverage storytelling better than others will continue to be valuable.

In another post, I’ll discuss career paths for marketers, but today I want you to consider why marketing technology and operations is no longer the backwater I once believed it was seven years ago. In fact, a few months into my first Marketo install, I became concerned I would be stuck in some backwater called “marketing operations” before I even knew it was a thing. And once I saw that it was real and I could accelerate my career with it, I never looked back.

While jobs can range widely in terms of experience required and salary made, I’ve noticed that skilled marketing operations professionals tend to make more earlier than their marketing peers. Here is the data I was able to compile.

Salary Statistics – Oct 2015

I collected this data last year (methodology below) and am showing it here so you can see the changes from last year to this year.

Salary Comparison – Oct 1, 2015 Salary Range – US – Annual
Role Level Glassdoor Glassdoor Avg Salary.com Salary.com Avg PayScale.com Payscale Median Indeed Avg
Marketing Director 97k – 199k 105k-196k  $146,588 79k-160k  $120,000  $140,000
Marketing Manager 75k-150k 79k-149k  $101,807 63k-120k  $85,000  $84,000
Marketing Associate/Specialist 45k-65k 40k-79k  $54,295 52k-88k  $68,000  $81,000
Marketing Operations Director 126k-200k  $150,000  $140,000
Marketing Operations Manager 69k-158k  $91,350  $137,000
Marketing Operations Associate/Specialist 53k-84k  $54,224  $71,000
Marketing Operations Consultant

Consider that a “regular” Marketing Director in Glassdoor had a low range of $97,000, while a Marketing Operations Director had a low of $126,000 per year. Just having those “operational” skills meant a 30% starting bonus for experienced marketeers. Less experienced marketers could expect a range bump of 18% and a wider range of salary at lower experience levels. And while it’s not good to compare Indeed vs. Glassdoor’s average, we can see that Marketing Operations often matched or exceeded non Operations roles.

Spring 2016 – Martech Roles

At the Marketo Summit in May 2016, martech pros Jason Seeba and Inga Romanoff compiled data from a survey of Marketo users, which showed skilled martech adopters were making high salaries. I did not have the raw data to make this more comparable to other data sources, however, it’s interesting to note the ranges available to those with Marketo skills.

More importantly, it appears that it only takes 1-3 years to make over $100,000 per year. If you are stuck at under $100k, perhaps a solid year of marketing automation is all you need.

Summary May-16   Experience needed
Median Salary  $100,000.00 124,000 1-3 Years
Top Quartile  $150,000.00 3+ years
Bottom Quartile  $70,000.00

And if we look at title type, we can see that the most skilled Marketo users, have much higher chances of making over $150k per year. Those who choose to become Consultants (and I recommend this for many people), will find it easy to make over $100k. Being a consultant for barely a year permanently boosted my salary over $100k. It’s not a life for everyone, but it can be eye opening – many of the top marketers I look up to spent some time as a consultant.

Salary by Title – Greater than Range
Manager 45% over 100k
Director 85% over 100k
Consultant 80% over 100k
Consultant 40% over 150k
Marketo Champ 30% over 150k
Marketo Champ 60% over 100k

Be careful here because this analysis isn’t looking at years of experience. From what I know, however, many skilled Marketo and martech leaders are achieving Manager and Director roles two to five years earlier than their peers. Of course, your ability to manage people and talk your way into a role will help just as much. But consider the types of projects, influence, and reports a top martech leader will do versus other marketers early on. The top martech performers can tell a better story such as “I did xyz to accelerate leads through the funnel by 300% in 6 months” or “The project I did demonstrated marketing influenced deals were 50% greater on average than sales generated alone.” Who is getting the promotion?

Salary Ranges – December 2016

Recently, I updated the averages and ranges I collected from 2015. Within this period, the economy has improved and the demand for skilled martech talent has increased. We can see 5% to 20% bumps for marketing operations talent overall, and from 2015 to 2016 – at least on Glassdoor. Salary.com does not have more recent titles, like Marketing Operations, however, it does appear the salaries have increased slightly since 2015. PayScale’s process takes into consideration bonuses and work culture, which make it harder to run this analysis. From what I can tell, PayScale is showing a steady salary across Marketing from year to year. Indeed.com is the only site that shows a possible decrease for some regular marketing staff.

Salary Comparison – Dec 26, 2016   Salary Range – US – Annual          
Role Level Glassdoor Glassdoor Avg Salary.com Salary.com Avg PayScale Range Payscale Median Indeed Avg
Marketing Director 102k-200k  $151,000 111k-201k  $152,803 79k-160k  $120,000  $139,000
Marketing Manager 86k-152k  $86,000 81k-158k  $115,431 63k-120k  $85,000  $137,000
Marketing Associate/Specialist 52k-68k  $52,000 41k-80k  $54,913 52k-88k  $68,000  $70,000
Marketing Operations Director 109k-214k  $132,000  $140,000
Marketing Operations Manager 81k-139k  $81,000  $138,000
Marketing Operations Associate/Specialist 53k-84k  $54,224  $71,000
Marketing Operations Consultant 102k-119k  $111,000

Let’s do a Y/Y comparison for Glassdoor.

Role Level 2015 Range 2017 Range 2015 Avg 2017 Avg
Marketing Director 97k – 199k  102k-200k  $151,342
Marketing Manager 75k-150k  62k-119k  $87,336
Marketing Associate/Specialist 45k-65k  36k-79k  $51,980
Marketing Operations Director* 126k-200k  71k-214k  $150,000  $129,465
Marketing Operations Manager 69k-158k  81-139k  $91,350  $81,000
Marketing Operations Associate/Specialist 53k-84k  36k-106k  $54,224  $52,000
Marketing Operations Consultant 102k-119k  $110,975
Source: Glassdoor, US self reported salaries, Jan 1, 2017

The decline in averages and ranges versus other marketing roles is surprising, especially with Directors. This data shows marketing operations has lower salaries than other marketers. I’m not worried here because Glassdoor appears to be including a lot of unrelated roles with the word “operations” and roles that are not well matched with what we think of as “marketing operations/automation.” I was unable to filter these out or to see what other search changes had occurred since October 2015.

Glassdoor’s data is also not comparing years of experience. As we saw with Jason’s data, you could spend 3 years in marketing automation out of college and likely hit $100k easily, whereas it might take 8 years of “regular demand generation.”

Another way to look at this data — and be careful — is that more and more marketers are becoming skilled enough at marketing technology that it’s not always viewed as a separate job anymore. Given the number of roles out there for “marketing operations/automation” managers alone, I suspect that this is not the reality, yet.

Average Ranges from Indeed.com

When I took the original Indeed data above, it showed a very different story than the one today. The good news is that the 2 year comparison they do have demonstrates the following data, as of Jan 1, 2017. (The chart and percentiles only July 2012-May 2014).

  • Marketing Operations Director: $95,000 average, ranging from $65k-195k and 64% higher than all other job postings
  • Marketing Operations Manager: $82,000 average, ranging from $75k-225k, and 42% higher than all other job postings.
  • Marketing Operations Specialist: $74,000 average, ranging from $65k-195k, and 28% higher than all other job postings.

Now compare that to “regular marketing” with no “demand generation” attached.

  • Marketing Director: $74,000 average, ranging from 75k to 225k, 29% higher than all other job postings
  • Marketing Manager: $66,000 average, ranging from 75k to 225k, 14% higher than all other job postings
  • Marketing Specialist: $49,000 average, ranging from 45k to 135k, 15% lower than all other job postings

A quick search showed “demand generation” often paid much more than regular marketing and sometimes more than operations at higher levels. Ultimately, do your research to make the right decision for you.

A Word on Methodology and Sources

On January 1, 2017, I ran some new searches that had very different data than I had on December 26, so I would urge you to consider how each site’s data can change or how different search methods may provide different results.

Also, I didn’t take into consideration other disciplines such as Advertising, Brand, Creative, Product Marketing, Email Marketing, User Experience, Customer Marketing, or B2B vs. B2C. Much of the data looks at US National and is self reported. Jason and Inga’s data does look at some US regional differences, where non coastal areas may experience a 10% to 20% lower salary across all disciplines due to cost-of-living differences. You can look up sites like city-data.com or EIU City Data to compare cost-of-living across global cities.

The salary data shown represents the available data on the date of analysis from the sites listed. Each site has limited analytical tools, so I did what I could based on title keywords and locations available. I used a Range based on the distribution the site provided, if it provided it. I also used average instead of median since most sites provided that statistic.

  • Glassdoor: based on US National average and range for dates shown. [Example].
  • Salary.com: based on New York US data, with titles like Database Marketing.
  • PayScale: limited due to involved comparison process.
  • Indeed.com: based on NY search.
  • Marketo Summit Survey: I used the provided Median and ranges from the slide analysis. Raw data was unavailable. Keep in mind the sample set is likely heavy on Marketo users.

New Salary Information for 2017

In 2017, additional surveys came out, including one from Marketo.

  • Marketo Summit 2017 Updated from Inga and Jason

And if you’re curious about the trends, here’s a survey from 2011.

A word of marketing career advice

I know many of us look at our peers in Sales, Strategy, or Engineering and see higher salaries. I know Marketing sometimes has a bad rap as a place to go if you couldn’t cut it as an engineer or finance expert. Or let’s face it – it seems “easy” in college to take a business major. Then reality sets in that unless you were an engineer or finance major, starting salaries are LOW in marketing. Marketing in some sectors is more valued than in others. There’s always a path to success if you think hard enough and deliver value.

Take the chip off your shoulder and become an expert in one area of Marketing to start, and if you love tech and don’t like programming, learn Martech to become more than “just a marketer.” If you are just starting out, advance faster than your peers by taking on marketing technology: learn a tool like Marketo and in two years I am confident you could double your salary or better. There are top marketers just like there are top engineers. Get there faster by combining your love of marketing with the skills of an engineer. Another route to early success is marketing plus finance or marketing plus databases.

[Updated: August 24, 2017 with new data links]

 

Filed Under: Marketing Careers

How to Use the Martech Maturity Model

December 21, 2016 By Josh Hill

Martech Maturity Model

In 2015, I released the Martech Maturity Model™ to explain what I was seeing happen with companies adopting marketing automation platforms. Since then, I’ve continued to use the model as an explanatory method and have found quite a few other organizations are using it, too. This past September, I visited the Corporate Executive Board, which has used the Martech Maturity Model™ in some of their marketing councils. And I’ve heard from a few martech vendors that they are using the model to evaluate if an account is ready for their services.

Today’s update explores three key areas:

  1. How buyers and vendors can use the Model
  2. How ABM works with the Model
  3. How more recent survey data proves the Model reflects reality.

Martech Maturity Model

Buyers: How to Use the Martech Maturity Model™

The Model can help you chart your course through the adoption of marketing technology tools. Many firms attempt to go too fast, due to vendor generated excitement or internal promises. As a roadmap, the Model is designed to rein in this excitement and keep teams focused on where your firm is now versus where you want to be. The timeframes are based on experience; they should help create the proper expectations with executives, avoiding disappointment and lost jobs.

This roadmap should be used with vendors to determine where the vendor is in their use of their tools, as well as what the vendor can help you with. For example, if an attribution vendor comes along, you can see clearly that they are in Stage 5, while you may have only finished Stage 2. Building out attribution and funnel data is a good idea, but if it’s a distraction from Stage 3 and 4, it’s a good idea to ask that vendor to come back in about nine months, maybe longer.

Vendors: How to Use the Martech Maturity Model™

The Model is helpful in understanding where your firm fits into the overall martech adoption lifecycle. And once you know where your tool fits, you can approach prospects who are in that stage, or approaching that stage. I know of one vendor that uses the Model to go after Stage 3+ prospects. Their tool enables deeper persona and content matching to accelerate deals. Stage 3 focuses on nurturing, better sales context, while Stage 4 and 5 look at funnel conversion and pipeline attribution. If you are selling improved outcomes for pipeline, why would anyone buy your tool if they can’t prove pipeline conversion changed? Match your promised outcome to firms that can prove it works.

Let’s discuss the latest on the Stages.

Account Based Marketing & Sales with the Martech Maturity Model™

I bet quite a few people said, “Josh, this is great, but ABM clearly upends your fancy Model. ABM is fresh and new, and it flips the funnel.”

No, no one ever said that to me. Just in case you were thinking about it, however…

First, the only flipping is in the Target Account selection process. Yes, you should do that early on in your marketing strategy. And if anything, flipping the funnel should be about changing the stage names to the Buyer’s Point of View.

Second, ABM doesn’t inherently change the Model. After a lot of thought and a little preview in the  Mintigo-Engagio webinar, the Model supports an “ABM range.”

Martech Maturity Model and ABM

This means that martech starts to support Account based systems around Stage 2 and beyond. When you are at Stage 0 or Stage 1, you are still getting a handle on the user of the systems, along with alignment. If you decide to add ABM (especially ABM, not ABS) before Stage 2, I would expect you to fail the entire project. When firms start in Stage 0 or 1, the CRM and sales mentality are also in a lead centric view and sales isn’t aligned closely on systems and marketing SLAs. So if you start ABM processes this early, you will likely experience a higher hurdle to success with all martech.

Now, you could argue that an Account based firm can easily pull in Engagio, Outreach, or Salesloft and see success early on without any sort of marketing automation platform. Maybe. That could be a place we go in the next three years, so I would challenge doubters to send me example case studies where the ABM range could be across all Stages in this Model. However, Marketing is still going to be unable to leverage Account based martech until at least Stage 2, regardless of what Sales is up to.

Thus, ABM is not a Stage, per se, it’s a mindset that will only show up in technology adoption around Stage 2 in the Model.

Stage 0: Marketing Transformation

The pre-requisite to success with a marketing automation platform (MAP) is to undergo a transformation, which usually involves:

  • Sales-Marketing Alignment (ABM requiring much deeper alignment)
  • Inbound vs. Outbound framework.
  • Funnel terminology adoption.
  • Content marketing as the basis for marketing communications.

Many firms are still struggling to master Content that consistently drives conversions.

Stage 1: Automation

This stage involves taking what you learned in Stage 0 and then finding the martech tools to automate it. Typically, this means a MAP selection process. It could mean marketing becoming more involved in the CRM. To some degree, this is where things like Lead Scoring, Lead Quality, and service level agreements become fleshed out, or even operationalized in preparation for Stage 2.

Stage 2: Lead Quality Management

Some firms may experience Stage 1 and 2 at roughly the same time. Be careful that you plan for the quality management before you do the vendor selection. Stage 2 is about turning the whiteboard session into a real-life system; you’ll take your business process alignment and build it out in the MAP and CRM. You will also do the following:

  • Score leads by behaviors, often for the first time.
  • Hold back non-MQLs from Sales.
  • Route Leads to Sales based on new things like behavior, and without human intervention.
  • Continually review lead quality with sales to see what is working and what is not.

You will almost certainly begin to ask questions about Sales Context and conversion rates, but do not try to solve them all at once!

Stage 3: Nurturing and Sales Context

This stage is where most firms get stuck. They may sort of have a basic lead lifecycle, but it’s about routing, not conversation rates (Stage 4). They start to build a few drip campaigns, but nothing that matches “lead nurturing.” Some firms will try to move into Stage 4 and may or may not have success there, but eventually, they all have to go back to Stage 3. A few times I’ve seen firms reach Stage 4 or even into Stage 5, but demand generation never did much in Stage 3, so there is a giant gap in program capability. Avoid this pit and think hard about nurturing. Marketing should build the capability to automate the company’s story. Your team has solid automation skills, now build out drips.

If you feel you only have above average skills, I would argue that’s about where Nurturing pros are. They understand the logic and system enough to whiteboard nurturing and plug in content. Marketing will get better at it, so don’t fret about AB testing on your first five tries.

What happens in Stage 3 is that Nurturing programs get developed and Marketing Ops should provide increasing amount of information to sales on what a lead is doing before MQL and afterwards. Team alignment discussions should focus on how to explain lead behavior to salespeople and what types of long term programs Marketing has setup. The more of that you can automate, the better.

Marketo users wonder why “sales context” is in Stage 3 when Marketo Sales Insight is part of the implementation package that normally happens in Stage 1. What I’ve found is that many firms never really adopt Sales Context tools at all. Sometimes an add-on like MSI is not setup right. Sometimes Sales just never gets training. Sometimes Sales won’t use what they didn’t buy themselves. A few reps like the LinkedIn plugin, a few just want Task notifications, and others love whatever it is they understand best.

Marketing operations should be ahead of the curve here because of tight alignment on Sales’ needs. The explosion of sales automation or sales-tech is just beginning and sales isn’t waiting around for us to offer help.

Stage 4: Funnel Visibility & Lead Lifecycle

This Stage is, for many of us, the vision that we were sold during our MAP purchase. And this is the part that everyone wants, but so few attain. It is possible to achieve, for the patient.

When you are feeling pretty good about the automation of your company’s story, then it’s time to worry about Funnels and Lead Lifecycles. Most firms will have some sort of lifecycle at this stage.

Stage 4 is hard to achieve and takes patience and due diligence, which is why many firms still feel that MAPs are a letdown. It takes about 2 years to reach this point if you want to trust the funnel data. Only at this point will your business have a good understanding of the stages and data required. Only now will you have a marketing ops pro who can handle the challenge.

(And for the 92% of respondents who thought training was a low priority, good luck with this one).

Stage 5: Attribution and Allocation

Only in Stage 5 do we consider the true nirvana: Knowing which content is working on which channel to drive accounts through the funnel. True attribution is difficult but not impossible. But there’s no point in doing this until your firm has funnel data to use. And if you have funnel data, you probably have a team that can build and understand attribution systems.

It is interesting that vendors who once pushed for revenue performance have dropped this in favor of the next shiny toy: ABM. Perhaps revenue attribution is too hard?

Not at all. It’s completely attainable for those firms that take the time to get there and keep their expectations in check.

Etumos has mastered this for clients and has created a Lead Source Setup Guide to help you master this stage.

[Update: March 5, 2017 – see David Raab’s piece summarizing martech failure survey data – master the basics to achieve ROI visibility. It’s a big desire, but have you finished the other pieces?]

Stage 6: Predictive

I’ve discussed if firms should adopt Predictive tools earlier than Stage 6. Clearly, vendors disagree with me. And Sirius Decisions asserts that firms should skip the “MAP based” scoring and go straight to Predictive. While I agree that a statistically based scoring method is desirable, what I’ve seen is that it doesn’t matter which model you use – it matters if Sales believes the model works. The only way Sales believes in the model is if they were in the room when it was made and if they are continuously consulted. One expert I know had a semi-monthly “Lead Scoring Congress” to review the data and scoring model.

Most firms ignore the model after it is setup and eventually the model is out of step with reality. Thus, Predictive can be done at Stage 1, however, it will almost certainly fail if sales-marketing alignment isn’t continuous. The Maturity of the organization in using Martech is what matters here, and I urge firms to avoid Predictive scoring tools until they have a strong maturity across the organization. I highly doubt this is attainable until Stage 6.

Considerations

Martecs Law via Chiefmartec blog
Martec’s Law – Demonstrating the disconnect between technologies, vendors, and buyers (via Chiefmartec.com)

The Martech Maturity Model™ explains what’s happening in the marketplace and within firms. The adoption cycle of new martech follows the technology adoption lifecycle, which is also seen as Martec’s Law. No one should be surprised at this. What is surprising is how little progress has been made in nearly two years. Walker Sands’ survey was cited by Scott Brinker as progress for firms fully leveraging their stacks. Yet, in that survey, 56% of respondents saw the “landscape” change rapidly, while only 24% thought their company’s martech changed at the same rate. (Slide 10). The survey data out there appears to support the idea that martech vendors are very far in front of their clients. An adoption curve by Industry organization vs. employees would be very interesting. Already it seems that tech startups are the primary early adopters, with early adopter staff gravitating toward the same (Walker Sands).

Ascend2’s 2016 survey appears to show a huge jump in adoption: 9% of respondents with a fully used stack to 54% of respondents with a fully used stack as evidence martech is widely adopted from 2015 to 2016. While this is promising for widespread adoption of martech, it may not be as effectively used. I want you to understand that adoption within the firm, or marketplace, is not the same as a firm or team achieving the vision they were sold. Firms may have martech and may think they are “fully using it,” but nearly all appear to have not attained full lead lifecycles and revenue attribution.

To me, all of this means there is a still a long road to adoption and training for marketers and organizations. Vendors have promised much, but firms found it too difficult to realize the promise. I wouldn’t say vendors failed Marketers, but they do (and did) raise expectations to a very high level. As a salesperson or martech vendor, I would use the Model to manage objections about adoption and the onboarding process to prevent churn. As a Buyer, I would use the Model to better manage my martech stack.

Here’s an overview:

Interested in the full deck and analysis? Signup for a free download.

Filed Under: Marketing Technology

Demographic Re-scoring in Marketo

December 14, 2016 By Josh Hill

Demo Trigger System

Most of us using Marketo for demographic scoring are using a basic trigger or batch campaign that only listens once when the Lead is Created or the Data Value is Changed. This means that the first time the Lead shares with us her Title or Department, we score it.

That’s it.

We never re-score that Lead no matter what else changes in her demographic profile.

Should anything change in that profile, we do nothing. Now, you might think that it is rare for a demographic profile to change, and that it is more likely the Lead leaves their original firm before their Title changes. Probably true!

But what if we are wrong about that? What if the profile looks more like this the first time the Lead tells us about themselves?

NAME: JD

EMAIL: XXXX@gmail.com

TITLE: whatever

COMPANY: MRG

PHONE: 617000000

(How many times have you done this yourself, let alone see it in your system?)

We would likely score this Lead low on Demographics and fairly high on Behavior. The next time the Lead fills out a form, they update the email and Title because now they are more serious about speaking with us. Yet, the system never updates their Demo Score! Thus, it can potentially hold back leads that should have been MQL, or prioritized by Sales.

To resolve this gap in our ability to rank leads, let’s introduce Demographic Rescoring. This is a technique I learned from Marketo Consultants, but I’ve rarely seen anyone else implement it, including other Marketo Consultants!

Step 1: Main Trigger

Create a central trigger that listens for any new lead and only the Data Value Changes you want to score on. If you are concerned about lead volume creating a trigger backlog, then you might want to daisy chain this into your lead lifecycle, or use a batch system instead.

Demo Trigger System

This central flow will then re-set the Demographic scores.

Demographic Trigger Rescoring Smart List

Step 2: Request Campaigns for Each Demographic Field

Once the Demographic Score is re-set, the flows will call the scoring flows that are needed. So if the lead only qualifies for a Title score, that’s all it will get.

Demographic Scoring Flow

Step 3: Test

Before trashing the old system, test the new system by adding the Email Address CONTAINS brake and run some new leads and old test leads through it.

What you should see is that changing the Title triggers the main flow, which requests all of the demographic score campaigns and it attempts to re-set and re-score each value we care about.

Then look at the Lead’s Log Activity. Most of the time you should see a complete score re-set for Demographic Score and a re-build.

Then look at the Campaign’s Results tab. Most of the time you should see complete log of the re-score and rebuild. I’ve noticed that sometimes the Results seem to skip over the re-score, yet the score is fine in the end. Just be aware of this.

Step 4: Activate

There is no need to re-set everyone’s scores ahead of time, unless you really want to do so. Keep in mind that if you want to re-score everyone’s Demo Score, you can do so with a Batch campaign instead (which will be faster and safer). All we are doing here is converting the old system to a new, responsive one that will only trigger on New Leads and Leads who change their information.

Caveats

There are a few caveats to consider:

  • Re-scoring seems to fail, or appears to fail, from time to time. At least that’s what the logs say. An actual failure may be rare.
  • High Volume Systems create a giant trigger backlog because this relies on triggers.
  • Batch System may work better – you could run a daily batch to call the child triggers on Request Campaign. You can also run a daily batch overall instead. This depends on how badly you want to re-score demographics.
  • Data appending will trigger this system frequently. Again, it could cause a backlog if this is high volume.

Long time readers know I’m not a big fan of demographic scoring at all, but many firms do this and this is how to handle re-scoring.

Filed Under: Marketo User Guide

Storytelling and Operationalizing Commercial Insight

December 8, 2016 By Josh Hill

Zuora Deck Slide 1

Storytelling Techniques and Operationalizing Commercial Insight

Last week I reviewed how switching from the AIDA model to the Hero’s Journey could help you build better nurturing and content. Today, I’ll discuss how the famous Zuora Deck works using the Hero’s Journey. A secondary framework that leverages the Hero’s Journey is called Commercial Insight, which is detailed in CEB’s The Challenger Customer. A careful review of the two frameworks demonstrates the two methods are the same: using the same persuasive steps to help an audience take their journey with you.

Before we go further, there’s a reason I’m discussing storytelling techniques with you. Putting content into a nurturing stream is the easy part. Having something interesting to say is not as easy. Most companies (yours included), spend a lot of time blasting out messages across different channels. Those messages almost always say, without any proof, “My company is the greatest at X, you need X, so click here so we can sell you X.” I’ve done it, you’ve done it, we’ve all done it.

Even some of the great content marketers are prone to this promotion type. And there is a time to say you are the greatest. It’s almost never at the top or middle of the funnel. It’s just not. There is a better way to share your good news more effectively. If you are ready to listen, let’s take a look.

The Zuora Deck

The recent Zuora Deck post by Andy Raskin made the rounds this quarter. Mr. Raskin analyzed it, but only to a point. I went deeper, discovering the deck combines the powerful Hero’s Journey with Commercial Insight while embedding psychological influence triggers. The deck is so well constructed that the message is clear without a live narrator. Here’s my expanded storytelling analysis from the slides Mr. Raskin provided. (You can look at others here and here).

There’s a shift from the world we were in, to this new world.

This opening teases that there is a promised land for the audience, something more than what we do now. If you’re interested, perhaps it’s time to step beyond the Threshold of your current world.

Zuora Deck Slide 1

There are winners and losers in this new world.

The people who stay behind will be losers. You don’t want to lose, do you? This is a deep loss aversion psychological trigger. It fits into the Hero’s Journey to get the lead to the Threshold of stepping outside of the old world.

Zuora Fear of Loss

What happened to the losers?

The losers are the companies of yesteryear who stayed behind. Still staying behind? Now this fear of missing out hits loss aversion again, attempting to make the pain of change seem less than the pain of losing.

Will you be a winner by joining us?

The mentor now reaches out her hand to pull you across the Threshold. What’s holding you back?

Others have taken the journey, shouldn’t you?

Oh, by the way, firms like yours, people like you, have already taken this journey with us. We can help you do this successfully, so don’t be afraid. The promised land awaits, and others are already there.

Zuora Customers Like You

There is a path to winning, and it involves Zuora.

Stepping across the Threshold means you have us and our special tools to help you. Once you use us, you will make it to the promised land.

Zuora Features

When done well, the prospect is prone to say something like, “Great, when can we begin work?” The conversation about money becomes secondary. There may be a competitor involved, often as a formality to say all options were examined.

What is Commercial Insight?

The commercial insight in the Zuora Deck is “the subscription economy is here and the successful firms made that change.” It sparks interest and can break an existing mindset in the audience, allowing them to question if they are competing in an old, or new, way. Lead nurturing is about helping tell this story, equipping buyers with this understanding so Sales can complete the journey in person.

“A Commercial Insight teaches the customer something new that reframes how they think about their own business, and leads uniquely back to you as a supplier.” –Pat Spenner, CEB.

Another way to think about it is if you were in a one-on-one conversation where you have to convince the buyer of your point of view. The way you do this is to lead them to this new conclusion by breaking their old reality. How you do this follows a consistent process. This is essentially what happens at military bootcamps and religious conversions. Of course, it won’t work on everyone all of the time.

One way to think about the Commercial Insight is it is the critical mission your firm is on. Perhaps it is the “Why” of Simon Sinek fame. Perhaps it is helping marketers tell a revenue based story (Marketo, Eloqua). If it exists at all, the insight is a fundamentally new understanding of a business. As the quote explains, that new understanding means requiring a new supplier, which is your firm.

Former salespeople may see a connection between Commercial Insight and the questioning techniques in SPIN Selling by Neil Rackham. The Challenger Customer offers one method of digging into what your commercial insight is, however, I offer two other methods.

SPIN Selling Questioning

The summary is that proper research and questioning methods allow a salesperson to lead a prospect to the realization that they have a serious problem that wasn’t fully understood before. If  you are still working on what your commercial insight is, I highly recommend this technique as part of your customer development process. Here’s an example that could have been part of Marketo’s early customer calls:

  • Situation: how do you manage your email list now? How do you track success?
  • Problem: what’s the biggest problem you have when explaining results? Was it hard to train the team to use this?
  • Implication: if training marketers is hard and time consuming, what does that mean for your campaigns? If your CEO wants more leads, but you are having problems tying your efforts to spend, what does that mean?
  • Need-Payoff: why is having a clear email to lead conversion ratio important to you? If you could see how marketing impacts the pipeline, how would that help you achieve revenue targets?

Try this out to see how the lead will make the sale for you.

Five Whys/Fishbone Diagram

The Five Whys with a Fishbone diagram can help work back from the problem statement the customer has. If the customer is concerned with high costs, you can ask “Why” until you have several variations on why and how costs impact their business. You may uncover a new understanding of how your unique value can solve the cost problem in ways that were not explained earlier. The book discusses how Xerox wanted to sell color copiers to K-12 schools that were under budget cuts. Color’s nice, but why do we really need it? It turns out that school administrators care deeply about student outcomes and that color materials were proven to engage students better and improve those outcomes. There’s always money to improve outcomes, right?

Consider your experience with any martech vendor. There’s rarely budget for new tools. What happens when the vendor discusses your need to be at the revenue table? What if you could demonstrate your marketing spend is driving revenue, and isn’t a cost? Wouldn’t that be worth something to you?

Embedding commercial insight into lead nurturing stories

Once you have articulated, and tested, the commercial insight, your nurturing programs and sales tools will fall into place more easily. When using commercial insight, the plan is to show the lead the path from their Current Beliefs, to a new set of Beliefs. Persuasion experts know this can only be done with some sort of shock that breaks the person out of their frame. Once a person is ready to accept the new reality, it becomes easy to share the Commercial Insight and offer to help them realize it.

And it is very interesting to see these steps align perfectly to the Hero’s Journey, which takes someone out of their current world and into a new one, full of adventure and success.

Journey Stage Funnel Stage Buying Stage Challenger Stage
Call to Adventure Known Learn Learn
Threshold/Guardian Engaged Define Needs Spark
Mentor and Helpers MQL Assess Options Frame-break
Challenges SQL Assess Options Commercial Insight
Revelation Opportunity Are you the right one? Insight & Benefits
Transformation Opportunity Negotiate Unique Benefits
Atonement Closed-Won Negotiate and Buy Unique Benefits
Return and new world Post Sale Build new world Build new world

There is much, much more to this process that this blog post and deck can reasonably share with you. The rest is in the hard work to build out the details. Let me know how it goes!

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How to Use Storytelling to Nurture Leads Effectively

November 30, 2016 By Josh Hill

Forrester Buyers Journey

You are nurturing your leads wrong.

It’s ok. Everyone is.

The “traditional” way Lead Nurturing is taught is that we should use a content grid to provide relevant information to the prospect at each Buying Stage. The Buying Stage is largely determined by the marketer, not the buyer. Nurturing is then viewed as a series of “drip” emails semi-customized to the buyer persona. The reality is most content is cobbled together from whatever you have. The order of the content is often not considered deeply. And even if the order of the content is decided, it is not tested and never leveraged to keep the audience coming back for more.

A content grid often looks like this, as suggested by Marketo’s Definitive Guide to Lead Nurturing.

Stage Early Mid Late
Gated? Not usually Yes Not usually
What to Offer Blog posts

Free tools

Information relevant to the buyers’ struggles and possible generic solutions

Content related to their jobs

Solution documents

Sometimes gated content

Whitepapers

Introduce your product more

Case studies

ROI calculators

Demo forms

Trial forms

Contact Us

The next step is to find matching content, then draft emails and landing pages. Then, decide in which order each asset is sent out. Sometimes the order of content is done by buying Stage or in staggered offers, alternating between free, gated, and free trial push. In my experience working with 40+ firms, almost no one gives thought to the order of emails within a Stream vs. between Streams. Many firms default to the AIDA: Attention, Interest, Decision, Action model of content use.

And then, you plug all of this content into the marketing automation platform (MAP). The MAP helps track response metrics as well as lead data. While a MAP can shift leads to different Stages of content (AIDA or Lifecycle), these are all guesses, and poor ones.

Forrester Buyers Journey
Source: Forrester. Only machine learning could automate and predict the real buyers’ journey. Instead, lead people through it with storytelling.

The reality is that AIDA or a Lifecycle stage doesn’t reflect the true nature of the buyers’ journey, nor can it in a logic driven MAP. More importantly, however, your content is not setup as a story which leverages innate human desires for stories and deep psychological triggers available to all marketers.

Wait, isn’t that a lot of work? I just need to get content out into the channels.

Said every marketer.

What if you took the time to organize current and future content like a book? What if you told a heroic story the reader (lead) could use to picture themselves as the hero bringing in new ideas and vendors (you) to further their career? Further the success of their business? What if you could tell that story at the right time, with the right emphasis, to the right person, at scale, and automatically?

(No, you don’t need machine learning yet!)

It is possible, with some work. Here’s how.

Nurturing is a Serialized Novel

Think of Nurturing as a serialized novel from the 1800s. Authors like Dickens would be paid to publish a chapter every week in a newspaper. The feedback was, for the time, fast. The characters and narrative would adjust a bit each week. And at the end, a book was made which they already knew would be successful so the readers could…”binge read” the serial novel. (Sound familiar Netflix users?).

At a tactical level, each email, each landing page, each paper is a chapter in the story. Rather than give it all away, each content piece that is shared uses plot elements and storytelling components to keep leads engaged. Calls-to-action are about continuing the story to find out what happened. Emails or papers might end abruptly, creating cliff-hangers that demand the lead find out the next part of the story. What if a demo were demanded and accessible instead of withheld in exchange for a chat with sales? What if a lead asked you instead of you pestering a lead into a demo?

Storytelling Format is Crucial to Success: AIDA is dead

At the 2016 Marketo Summit, I suggested the AIDA model doesn’t work for lead nurturing. The reason is it is too logical, which places a lot of reliance on non-logical humans; and it also places the marketer at the center (you) instead of the buyer. Another reason is that AIDA is rooted in advertising culture, looking to interrupt and attract attention for the company.

As a storytelling format, AIDA falls flat because it assumes too much rationality on the part of the reader.

The Hero’s Journey is the Narrative Structure for Nurturing

Hero Cycle Credit: Chris Vogler/Wikipedia
Hero Cycle Credit: Chris Vogler/Wikipedia

Many of us are familiar with the basics of Joseph Campbell’s The Hero with a Thousand Faces, or Hero’s Journey, because George Lucas used it as a deliberate framework for Star Wars. This journey should be the basis for all nurturing and content creation because it taps into the natural human desire to be at the center of a story. It also allows for a natural use of influence techniques in each chapter.

When content is serialized in the Hero’s Journey framework, it will more naturally lead someone along to the conclusion you desire as a marketer: “not just consider us, but use us to be the hero of your firm.”

Telling a story also lets you, as the marketer, feel like you are sharing something important, rather than pushing propaganda. Instead of content that’s about your firm and your needs, you will naturally begin to write more about your audience’s needs, which will be more attractive to them.

Stages and Relation to the Funnel

Each part of the narrative also corresponds to the sales funnel stages, or the Buyers’ Stage. I mention The Challenger Customer here, and we’ll talk more about that another day.

Journey Stage Funnel Stage Buying Stage Challenger Stage
Call to Adventure Known Learn Learn
Threshold/Guardian Engaged Define Needs Spark
Mentor and Helpers MQL Assess Options Frame-break
Challenges SQL Assess Options Commercial Insight
Revelation Opportunity Are you the right one? Insight & Benefits
Transformation Opportunity Negotiate Unique Benefits
Atonement Closed-Won Negotiate and Buy Unique Benefits
Return and new world Post Sale Build new world Build new world

Use the Journey Stages to Determine Readiness for Next Steps

Of course, this assumes you have done this expertly. Not everyone is ready to take the threshold step or is interested in the Challengers every day. Timing is a critical component of any lead nurturing and MQL system. The use of Threshold Content and Ask for Help Content is a natural part of the Hero’s Journey here. If a Lead is actively seeking to go beyond the Threshold, perhaps it is time to accelerate content related to the new world they are trying to reach. Perhaps a chat with a “mentor” (salesperson) might help move the person forward in their journey.

With all things in Marketing, it is best to carefully test responses to each chapter in your story. Are you losing people between chapters? Do certain chapters work in a particular order? Try it!

How Should I Use Storytelling with…

  • Marketing Automation: figure out key lifecycle and storytelling junctions to trigger MQLs or story pace.
  • Nurturing: content drip should work like a serialized novel: in order and designed to keep leads reading.
  • Content: each content piece is a chapter in a novel in which the Hero is your Lead or Account. Don’t just slice it up willy-nilly; write like a novelist, use intrigue, conflict, and cliff-hangers.
  • Account Based Marketing: leverage the nurture waterfall to move leads to the right parts of the story told by email or humans.
  • ABM Play: if a lead appears to be on the threshold, a mentoring chat with an SDR/BDR might help. The challenge is how to approach this chat so it’s not condescending or sales oriented. A solution consultant or message from a non salesperson may work best.

Interested in building out more? Here’s a worksheet from CampCreative.

Next time I’ll share more on how to reach deep into your audience’s mind with CEB’s Commercial Insight.

Filed Under: Demand Generation

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